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president obama. but julián, i mean, listen, there are a lot of things that they do, that we say, okay, this isn t about policy, this is but i don t know that i can think of a more egregious example than taking migrants, putting them on a bus, and sending them to democratic cities in order to, like, own the lids. that seems pretty clear that that isn t meant for the purpose of theater. alicia, this is the intersection of two parts of the blueprint of modern right-wing republican politics. number one, as you say, get their kicks out of sending them to what they see as a liberal cities, washington, d.c., and new york. and then, secondly, dehumanize, dehumanize, dehumanize brown people in this case. people that they see as a lower van, and to get arise out of that base that they know they re gonna need, you know,

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