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people understand that spending on transportation infrastructure and for that matter, other infrastructure, our dams, our levees, our grid system, our broadband, that those things are things they want to spend money on. we ve got to convince the policymakers that they shouldn t be afraid to invest in our growth. there s not a company in this country, dylan, that became successful that didn t invest dollars in their own growth. and we need to do the same thing. we either invest or die. yeah, it s a very simple piece of math, john. you ve done a lot of reporting on the state of american infrastructure. in a nutshell, what s your assessment? it s falling apart. literally, in some cases. i mean what are some examples? well, i mean, you have the new orleans levee system that was built over 40 years and was a disaster. it basically had errors in the flood walls that caused them to collapse. our roads are inadequate.

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