agencies we should get rid of? how about the coast guard? going to break, you said i was for open borders. i am not. i.c.e. has been tearing apart families. this is not who we are. but while i say that we need to abolish i.c.e., i am still for strong borders, and we still have customs and border patrol, and we still have limited and humane immigration enforcement in this country. let s remember tucker: let me ask you a question. if i might. i.c.e. has been here for 15 years, tucker. a 15-year experiment. prior to that, we were able to enforce our immigration laws humanely. and in a limited way. we need to get back to that. tucker: the laws haven t changed much. to dig down since you are getting the i.c.e. question more deeply, is there something immoral about the i.c.e. employees? a lot of people have compared them to nazis. do you think they are bad people? that s absurd, tucker. tucker: it s not absurd, hold on a moment. so i.c.e. carries out the laws passed by the cong
speaking directly to president trump from that stage. that s an excellent point. the tone in the white house yesterday at that meeting and the tone that we just heard from that stage there, starkly different, before wayne lapierre spoke to dana lash. lynn sweet, i cut you off before, and i apologize for that. this does in a way tell us the parameters, the outside lines of where this debate will be. the nra will not let it go very far here. the president, if he wants to get something done, is going to have to push. well, here s what s different this time around. and i agree with the analysis that this was an audience of one because lapierre may be afraid that trump is getting what we hear is the voices of the students in florida. they haven t voted, so you can t attack them as being partisan. they haven t given donations, so you can t say that it is about
they fantasize about more laws stopping what other laws fail to stop. the truth is, laws succeed only when people obey them. that s what the law abiding majority in this country practices. but once again, so many existing laws were ignored. their laws don t stop illegal criminals from crossing our borders every single day. their laws don t stop the scourge of gang violence and drug crime that savages baltimore, chicago, and every major american community. their laws haven t stopped the plague of opioids and chinese fentanyl from mexico that floods american streets and kills victims every single day in this country. no wonder law-abiding americans
working on this. it takes time and secrecy because you want the element of surprise. what is your reaction? we haven t heard the president of the united states say anything publicly, or not much, since the indictment. so, look, i mean, the question is, is he going to take some leadership position in terms of russia interference, whether in the midterms or presidential election, aside from some tweets. you re making the distinction, alex, between what is happening behind the scenes, perhaps with the national security counsel, with the state department, with the treasury department, versus the president s public tone? there have been some things going on, you know, under the radar. the department of homeland security has been doing some work to strengthen the election systems so they can t be hacked. it won t be comprehensive enough unless the president speaks out. part is the american people knowing to resist this interference when they see it. if they see something online that lo
group of criminal aliens. now we re going after a much larger group of criminal aliens. really, the laws haven t changed. and we haven t changed. we are still going after criminal aliens. it s just the spectrum of the criminal aliens has sort of widened. thank you so much, david. as we just mentioned, we re still on this stakeout. we are expecting movement from the house in 20 minutes. back to you for now. gaadi, it s interesting with the perspective. you re talking about the enforcement of undocumented immigrants who have committed serious times. you ve covered in phoenix undocumented immigrants who haven t committed serious crimes and you talk about the agents feeling more empowered. do you get that sense in your conversations with the agents you are spending time with? reporter: absolutely. that s one of the things we ve been talking about. she was asking about the case we saw in phoenix where a mother