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and the main issue for a lot of these folks are issues that would sound to us like free speeches and anonymity and is there a way to trace packages and looks and the people who are using the internet and posting messages on the internet to organize and protest and the flash point for this is a meeting in dubai in december where a group called the itu, the international telecommunications unit will attempt to amend a treaty so it is only international and they ll expand the charter to govern how the internet works and all of this is back channel conversation, but it became front and center in the last couple of weeks when the news about flame hit because some of the countries can point to the u.s. because they can say why do we trust them to control the internet? you talk about flame and the virus created here. explain what flame is to people and why that would upset our international allies?