a scholar at the university of nebraska lincoln and a former bbc journalist was living in capital of afghanistan, kabul. but as the city descended quickly into chaos she was already booked on a flight out to the united states. her family, however, were not so lucky. in a the washington post op-ed titled my taliban nightmare came true, i left but my sister couldn t, she writes, quote, a report circulating about taliban militants raiding the houses of activists, journalists and others i called my sister and told her to go home and hide all my identity cards and i told her she needed to destroy my guitar. she said her hands were unable to do that, but i pleaded with her. i told her the taliban s hands are capable of killing you for your art. thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. what was it like leaving your own country in that way, and did you have any sense before you left how quickly kabul would fall to the taliban? did anyone expect things would
white papers and plans in washington in the situation room have bump up against the reality in afghanistan and pakistan for 20 years. and the smartest people writing the smartest white papers have not managed to fix the problems. i don t think it was a lack of trying. tommy, i m sorry don t you tell me as a speechwriter what the realities are on the ground i wish we had more time. give me a break. i mean seriously. i wish we had more time for this discussion but we don t. i appreciate you both coming on this show and making your views very forcefully. thank you both for your insights tonight. appreciate it. next, the ongoing human tragedy in afghanistan. i ll talk to a woman who just arrived to america a few days ago but whose family back home in afghanistan still trapped in a living nightmare. afghanistan a living nightmare
debacle now sph. afghan political leadership and the incentive structure the united states and many of its international allies put in place, we setup an incentive structure that rewarded the most corrupt. and again, i beg to differ with you, tommy. a lot of us it s not in hindsight. a lot of us had been talking about pakistan and corruption for years. that interagency process sorry? i think what was lacking were the solutions. you know, it s not like they weren t i m sorry, tommy. the number of plans, the number of extremely explicit governance campaign plans that were put
stronger u.s. stance in holding the afghan government to basic standards of integrity. and it was explicitly rejected by the u.s. cabinet and president obama. and the same thing is true of pakistan. many people were pointing out the active role pakistan had played not to mention that they also provided nuclear technology to north korea and iran. so i don t understand a lot of the decisions that were made in that period. you mentioned obama, so let me bring tommy back in. you worked for barack obama. you and i talked about aspects of varias policy he got wrong, he could have done better on. where does afghanistan fit into your scheme when you look at syria, yemen.
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