a sound be and have you give us your response. this was a response two weeks ago. senior white house adviser steve miller telling fox news the travel ban, the new one, would basically be the same as the old one. take a look. he wants to know specifically how the order will be different. one of the differences in the executive order responsible to the executive order which didn t exist previously. these are minor technical differences. fundamentally you re still going to have the same basic policy outcome for the country but you re going to be responsive to technical issues brought up by the court and those will be addressed. in terms of protecting the country, those basic policies are still going to be in effect frf i m not a lawyer. i m glad to have someone with
its own moment like it s a debutante at a mardi gras ball. executive orders don t need their own moment. that moment passed weeks ago when you said it was urgent. putting ought-of-all that aside, it s going to be harder to challenge this. they did what they should have done, which should have been obvious in the first order, they excluded green card holders and permane permanents. this was a badly written order collided with a ninth circuit opinion. frankly both branches could use a do-over. but without that green card controversy, they are going to have a harder time establishing standing, even though many of those same elements are there. mike barnicle this comes from a president who is day by day by day losing credibility with everything that he says and does that doesn t have backing to it. also the wider context of
president-elect at the time or as a candidate or against his campaign. you would be told this. i would know that. it was there was a fisa court order. something like this, absolutely. you can t confirm nor deny whether that whists? . i can deny it. there is no fisa court warrant? not to my knowledge. of anything at trump tower. no. that was the big interview over the weekend. joining us now, former fbi intelligence operative, author of how to catch a russian spy. worked as a double agent for the fbi. also joining us, david corn, the washington bureau chief for mother jones. and a double agent for msnbc. navid, i meant to say a political analyst for mmsnbc. that s his cover. you heard it all now, from the trump tweet that began the weekend from what clapper had to say yesterday, all the white
authorized entities in the government. there is no fisa order. not to my knowledge. anything at trump tower? no. david ignatius, i ll start with you and get you on the record here. is there any reason we shouldn t move on from this question of where this came from and why the president did it? the president s assertion is out there. he s sticking by it. so we have to think what could he possibly be talking about. we ve had a statement that s as hard as it can be from jim clapper that there was no such fisa order, what else is possible. the only thing i can think of it is possible collection of russian, russian agents, incidental collection of people in trump tower who might have been talking to them or in some way conversations among people who were being wiretapped, russians normally followed for intelligence purposes. there was gossip about people they knew in the trump campaign,
national security clapper coming forward this weekend and saysing, no that did not happen. he also said they did not find connection of collusion between russia and the trump campaign. he exonerated the trump administration on that end. he didn t have the evidence and there s opinion no investigation that we know of, we don t know what s going on from the fbi standpoint because that is not in the public eye. that s under the purview of the fbi and we don t haven independent commission started. why do you think president trump tweeted that saturday morning? i have no idea whether you have someone like director of intelligence, former director saying there was no fisa court order. when you have the story running that jim comey called the justice department make it clear that this wasn t going on we weren t involved in this, we