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against government records to see if those folks are here illegally. so why hasn t this gotten the attention that the arizona law has? steven is directer of research at the center for immigration studies, and francisco hernandez is an immigration attorney. all right, gentlemen, thanks for being here. stephen, it s the feds program. the feds like this program, and, you know, to their credit, many would say, they re taking steps to try to get the information funneled up when the locals arrest illegals and take the fingerprints, they run it against the database, they identify as illegals and the feds can take it from there. this just begs the question of if the feds are implementing this program and have been for years, why are they so upset about arizona s law? in many ways it is similar to ads law. some of their objections are quite silly. look, this is the secure communities initiative. if you get arrested, they check your fingerprints, and if you re
them. absolutely. megyn: yeah. because the doj needs to prove to this judge that arizona s law does not mirror the federal law and that it actually interferes with or impedes federal law. stephen, go ahead. first stephen, then back to you. i have been saying for megyn: francisco, stand by. first steven and then you. look, you make a great point. just what it does is it makes now a state violation what is also a federal violation. and it gives the local police a way of arresting someone who they think is in the united states illegally. it ll ultimately be up to the federal government as it is under the secure communities program to determine where whether the person really is illegal. megyn: okay, go ahead, francisco. the difference is in what you just said and ms. kelly the difference is in that, the difference is that the state law creates a new penalty, a new crime and a new process. that s where the difference is