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not part of this, pat, but governor rendell and i are part of it as pennsylvanians. it s so much good up against so much bad. it s just hard to deal with. graham spanier up there has done, as you said, done a wonderful job as president up there, with his music department, his fine arts department. all across the board, that school has become so good at turning out with these kids that don t come there with a lot of money. they re average kids with average income and parents. and this guy gives them a first-rate education. and this horror, you know, on top of that. it s just tragic. you know? there s no question. and chris, joe himself, i mean, obviously, this is a horrible black mark on his balance sheet. but joe paterno did a whole lot more than just football. he helped the university. he and his wife gave millions of dollars to the university. he helped virtually every charity, salvation army, you name it, in pennsylvania. he did a lot of good, and it s tragic on a level that this

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