and then i actually worked for her in 2000 when she ran for the senate and saw her debate there. she is a first-rate debater. a very clear thinker. she is experienced. she has been on this track before. she is very serious about policy. i think she will do very well in the candidate debate. we have seen before she knows how to testify before congress. i don t think she is intimidated by that at all. and she has a chance to actually advance her cause in these events in october. but she will certainly be under pressure to do so. all right, david axelrod, thank you so much for your experience and your insight on this. as we discussed, another reminder right now. a debate right here on cnn, the first chance to see all the democratic contenders on the same stage at the same time. anderson cooper will be the moderator, las vegas, nevada. tuesday october 13th, right here on cnn. another reminder, joe biden by the way has been invited to attend. he has until the last minute to