history. she has written over 40 books of fiction and nonfiction, poetry. her work has blown my mind only occasions. her new novel is out now, carthage. thank you for being here. we will talk about the book in a second. i want to talk to you about another thing that you love, that you have written so amazingly about which is boxing. particularly mike tyson. wrote some amazing essays when tyson was coming out, first champion. the tyson story has really changed over the last decade. i wonder what are some of your observations on this sort of third and perhaps leading to the final arc of the mike tyson epic? will is an afterlife after great champion. young men rise, they ascend, they reach their peak. they are champions. then will is an afterlife. tyson has done very well with this afterlife.