yeah, that makes a lot of sense. he directly reported in to wiseleberg. while you re here, i have the benefit of getting you on the big news day with don mcgann, former white house testifying. you worked for robert mueller and mcgann was famously part of the resistance internally to donald trump s unlawful order trying to fire muller without cause. he s telling lawmakers, reading from judiciary information, trump asked him to do some crazy blank. he was worried firing muller, your boss, was the point of no return, things could spiral out of control into a second, quote, saturday night massacre. your response. well, from my quick read from his quite voluminous testimony, he appeared to now under oath confirm what is in the report, which is that he was asked by
just make the democrats it may just end up making the democrats look desperate to try to cling to any hopes that they still had of being able to find a reason to impeach trump you know what does that mean then for these efforts to pursue this obstruction of justice charge excellent question and the obstruction of justice charge is now going to be something that the democrats are going to have to focus in even more we should say that in the mall a report it doesn t not say that the president struck just as there are many examples of the way trump tried to interfere with the report including firing james comey the f.b.i. director repeatedly trying to push out various just department officials attacking people who were cooperating with the investigation praising those who didn t cooperate with the mole or investigation trying to fire muller himself as that none of these attempts were successful whether or not that s enough for an obstruction of justice charge well now that s up to congres
so you don t have these folks sticking around after bad acts. have you more oversight, more transparency and then we can restore confidence in the fbi and department of justice. we don t enjoy beating up on the entities essential to preserve our democracy. we just want to see them work for the american people not for the political interests. laura: and kimberly, the move to focus on whether trump was itching to fire muller or said something and whether he was frustrated and i think the white house is maybe defeating that. it s unclear. the president s back from switzerland now. to me that doesn t surprise me. if the president truly feels it s an unjust investigation and the investigators were work on it were biassed or clinton or obama loyalists i d be
sticking around after bad acts. have you more oversight, more transparency and then we can restore confidence in the fbi and department of justice. we don t enjoy beating up on the entities essential to preserve our democracy. we just want to see them work for the american people not for the political interests. laura: and kimberly, the move to focus on whether trump was itching to fire muller or said something and whether he was frustrated and i think the white house is maybe defeating that. it s unclear. the president s back from switzerland now. to me that doesn t surprise me. if the president truly feels it s an unjust investigation and the investigators were work on it were biassed or clinton or obama loyalists i d be frustrated too.
sticking around after bad acts. have you more oversight, more transparency and then we can restore confidence in the fbi and department of justice. we don t enjoy beating up on the entities essential to preserve our democracy. we just want to see them work for the american people not for the political interests. laura: and kimberly, the move to focus on whether trump was itching to fire muller or said something and whether he was frustrated and i think the white house is maybe defeating that. it s unclear. the president s back from switzerland now. to me that doesn t surprise me. if the president truly feels it s an unjust investigation and the investigators were work on it were biassed or clinton or obama loyalists i d be