conducting shuttle diplomacy in ukraine, skirting the protocols and employing his own personal attorney rudy giuliani to work the sort of behind the scenes or derangements. during the hearings, fiona hill claim that my next guest, cass patel, who used to work on chairman said he was part of that shuttle diplomacy. watch this. you learned that president trump was receiving information from someone else at the national security council down the council. that right? that s not quite right. i was told in passing that someone else at the national security council, the president may want to speak to because of some materials related to ukraine. to the person think that person was a director of the ukraine? that s correct. cass patel provided information directly to the