do you think that this could turn into something larger, a coup? i think it could. particularly you look at the rank and file, in other words, the lower level soldiers in the ranks, the noncommissioned officers, the junior officers, he s never going to really get that much support from the seen your leadership, but certainly the grunts on the ground who have been in the thick of it, fighting ukraine, i think, could potentially move to his side, in which case a prigozhin/wagner force could expand in size and capability, and it might make it easier for them to move north from rostov-on-don and then to moscow. i think that is his plan, to try
in afghanistan in the 1980s, the soviet union lost 333 helicopters there. i believe we ve experienced the same losses in one year. in the military, no one believes the authorities. they can see what is really happening. they are not some civilians in front of the telly. the military do not believe official reports because they are simply not true. to look deeper into mishov s story, i spoke to andrei gorianov, editor of bbc russian. andrei, thanks so much forjoining us. how unusual is this defector story? well, dmitry mishov, the 26 year old russian military helicopter navigator, fled to russia to avoid fighting ukraine. he eventually made it to lithuania, where he s seeking asylum. and he told bbc it was his duty to protect his country from aggression, but not
so maybe the ukrainian counteroffensive has started. maybe it hasn t. this fake putin broadcast today is a very weird intervention into sort of psychological moreass on which it is happening on both sides of the border. and there s more strange going on. the russians have this private for profit mercenary army, the wagner group fighting alongside the russian soldiers. we re hearing the russian forces have started shooting at the wagner group and in response, the wagner group has just arrested and kidnapped a russian general. i don t know what ukraine really thinks of their odds overall in mounting their so-called counteroffensive militarily, but honestly, it can t be a bad thing for ukraine if the two entities that invaded them and have been fighting them have started shooting at each other and kidnapping each other s generals instead of fighting
have been fighting them have started shooting at each other and kidnapping each other s generals instead of fighting ukraine. i m sure from a ukrainian perspective, that seems fine. it s all happening. i ve got a new podcast that is about to come out. it is called rachel maddow presents deja news. the first episode comes out next week. the trailer came out today. it is out now. you can follow the show for 47 so you go get the new episodes when they come out. you can do that at msnbc/deja news. again it s just the trailer out now. episode number one comes out next week. but the basic idea of this new podcast is that deja vu all over again. the basic idea is that we keep having things happening in the news that seem totally unprecedented. that seem bizarre and new and out of the blue. but in fact, there is precedent,
i don t think peace negotiations are possible at the moment. is he right because not possible at the moment. is he right because no possible at the moment. is he right because no , . , , ., because not nobody wants peace more than ukraine- because not nobody wants peace more than ukraine. president because not nobody wants peace more than ukraine. president zelinski - because not nobody wants peace more than ukraine. president zelinski has i than ukraine. president zelinski has been very clear about it. as early as fall last year, president zelinski presented ari ukrainian peace reform. it s very simple. it starts with russia stopping their aggressive war and getting out of ukraine. of course there are other elements of that, itjustice, rebuilding ukraine, getting our people back. all of it. but it can only be possible if russia, who is the only aggressor, there is one side, it is russia. they have attacked us. as soon as they will stop being the aggressor, we can start moving int