promote the big lie to his supporters and to the american public. and how trump took action to remove any officials who were getting in the way of that narrative by telling the truth. joining us now is tim heaphy. he served as lead mr. heaphy, it is great to meet you and get your thoughts on this distantly. looking at the firing of chris krebs, do you think we are reading this accurately, that this is a bid to just try and understand what trump was trying to do to the truth tellers in his administration? yes. i think this is jack smith anticipating a potential defense that the president may put forth, which is reliance on council. i have lots of people telling me that they there were problems with the election. and that is what motivated my actions. that s an unreasonable belief.
of justice which that is seen as the most convenient lever with which to stay in power? the justice department is where some of these very same allegations that the president was repeating publicly actually were investigated. bill barr, on november the 9th, santa memo to all u.s. attorneys and all fbi field office is saying, you should go forth and investigate credible allegations of voter fraud. it s important for americans to have confidence in the outcome of the election. and that s what happened. a lot of these theories this huge cases of ballots in georgia, dead people voting in pennsylvania or michigan the justice department looked into this. so, the president, when he heard bill barr and others say, sir, again, with all due respect, what you are saying publicly is not accurate. we have looked at this. that is what trump did the discussion about personnel change. and that, again, informs with the president knew. special counsel s entire focus is on proving state of mind
you can? he said he didn t know the documents were classified but he kept them in a secure location and that he had already declassified them anyway. but he knew he had classified documents. he was not keeping them in a secure location. and he knew he had not declassified them as president. and it s all on tape, in his own voice, with rustling paper. joining us now is tali farhadian weinstein and also a former federal prosecutor at the doj. and also with us is carol leonnig of the washington post. carol, if i may start also for a book, which is from whence some of this tape comes. my question is, do you have tapes from chats with the president. and do you know if the special counsel wants those tapes or once those tapes? i will just say, yes, we do
what happened to chris krebs is not uncommon. toward the end of the administration, as your reporting just suggests correctly, there were a lot of people that drew the ire of the president for telling the truth. bill barr is another example. and jeff rosen and other officials at the department of justice, by and there s just no evidence to support the incendiary things you were saying publicly about the election and they either lost their jobs or almost lost their jobs. and that all his attempts to replace people that we re doing the right thing, people that were willing without a basis in fact a lot to say other things to facilitate this multi part plan to disrupt the joint session, that is why special counsel is asking nothing loyalty and all these personal changes. yeah, the times reports that the special counsel is in particular looking at what president trump in and around the justice department in trying to install trump loyalist there. can you flush out for me why in par
maybe you don t. but it was the dating app that had people like vigilante slash conservative hero kyle rittenhouse as a spokesperson. the app had prompts for your dating profile like, january 6th was dot, dot, dot, fill in the blank. that app was basically a litmus test so you would only get set up with people at the same views of you. and it was the brain child of someone named john mcentee, who is president trump s former director of the presidential personnel office. but this app wasn t john mcentee s first rodeo when it came to the bizarre app of litmus testing peoples conservatism. towards the end of the trump administration john mcentee was on a mission to find and fire employee seen as disloyal to president trump. employees applying for political them appointments within the trump administration had to fill out a questionnaire, with questions like, what part of candidate trump s campaign message most appeal to you, and