i was the programmer who started mtv. if indeed we have 60 channels of television available to the american public, 24 hours a day, everything that there is a significant interest in ought to be represented. what s curious to me, a lot of the critics say we shouldn t offer that? we only put 20 books in library those were the only ones we could agree on as good books. mtv shook up good tv. we refused to live in the boundaries of what was thought of as tv. good evening. time to play chicken. my name is joe pine. i didn t want to be mr. mtv my whole life. i was 30, 31 years old. looking for more fun things to do that i have never done before. with us now, jerry rubin. he advocates disobedience of law. i set out to fiend ape new talk show. we start talking about it, remember the joe pyne show