has some ethical and moral and personal failings, but he has given us so much. he gave a three supreme court justices which helped overturn roe v. wade. so how do you explain the move of evangelicals and the willingness to go along for the ride with donald trump? well, many evangelicals thought that the clotheslines would lead to greater influence on donald trump and on his administration. i think the evidence shows it has been the other way around. trump and trumpism have changed evangelicalism much more than evangelicalism has influenced trump or the trump movement. and i think that generally that has to do with the way that many people inside and outside the church are wondering if the religion is just a means to an end, the politics to power, or something else. i think the church is too important for that. russell, elise jordan here, as a fellow mississippian who was raised southern baptist, i