quarter of 2023. joining me now is attorney lisa ruben and glenn kish kirschner. lisa, the superpac is supposed to be for his campaign but the fact he s diverting money and essentially having his you know, supporters who aren t rich people pay for his legal defense seems odd to me. is it legal? it s questionable. one of the questions that i think the january 6th investigation has been looking into, by that, jack smith s investigation, is whether or not there s fraud involved when you re raising money and telling people that money is for your election and for your political life and then diverting those funds as you just said, to the legal defense of yourself and others. we know that one of the things that jack smith s folks have looked at is whether that constituted the ordinary crime of federal wire fraud. when you re basically using the wires here, e-mail fund raising, text fund raising, to convince
to charge him in that case. it is their hope on trying him in financial crimes in the u.s. may uncover more information. it may be a negotiation point that the federal government here gives him an opportunity for a lesser sentence to come clean with proof of what happened to natalee in aruba. if convicted on the federal wire fraud and extortion charges here in the u.s. van der sloot would still have to first return to peru to finish his murder sentence before serving any time here in the u.s. julie. julie: thank you so much. jonathan serrie. leo terrell, civil rights attorney joins me now. this case dates back to 2005. i was in aruba with the parents when their daughter went missing. i ve met van der sloot and met his dad and all the players. the holl ways never got justice
girl five years later. he is serving 28 years behind bars. is it too late for authorities to try to strike a deal with him in order to get answers as to the whereabouts of natalee holloway s remains? first of all he is serving 28 years in that murder case. to answer your question, no. he will be on american soil and he will get convicted of wire fraud. he will have to serve another 20 some odd years. in order to avoid that, it is possible he can talk. he can squeal. but the f.b.i. will not trust him. they want verifiable proof. the key here is to find the whereabouts and remains of natalee holloway. that s what the holloway family wants. it is not impossible, julie. just a matter will this guy squeal. julie: a lot of theories that he didn t act alone. he was out with friends that night. his dad, a former sheriff on the island of aruba had to know something. he is no longer around.