we had hostages and ironic. and we had a combination of inflation and stagnant growth many thought not possible. i will never forget it. interest rates had gone through the moon as the fed under carter put it, bulb okeechobee at the head of the fed and get an handle on inflation for interest rates were soaring. many market funds are bringing huge returns on the market funds were opening storefronts of the main streets of the country. i remember in washington and it was a tough time for a lot of people. carter could be a tough guy in some ways. although i must tell you on a personal level i want moderated a discussion between him and gerald ford. they traveled the country together. and had w will recall debates bt they weren t there quite friendly. i did it at my daughter s college at the time. i said something about it in a e fewer marks i made before and i mention the fact i bought my daughter a set of radial tires because at the time he came up to me after words and come to