science editor for the new york times, explored the mystery surrounding the virus and he joins us now. nicholas, thanks for joining used today. good to have you with us. as you look at what has come out the past few days and you ve looked at this a long time, what do you make of where this conversation is right now? i think the most remarkable thing to come out of this was the statement from the team by dr. anderson that when they first looked at this virus, they thought it was manipulated. so they seized the public narrative and shaped it against lab escape. he said there s no way this virus could have been manipulated. but from this e-mail from dr. fauci in january, 2020, right after the news had broken,