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cyber world continues to evolve, you re going to see many other approaches to, you know, the ways that china can spy on americans. paul: yeah. but there s nothing quite like the breadth of tiktok s access to american households. i mean, 100 million, and, i mean, every teenager in america. you know, i think it s throwing tax on the runway for china, but i just think it s fanciful to think this somehow is going to stop their intelligence gathering. and as you say, there s going to be a high cost because people are going to feel deprived. it would be a much better idea if we would start to teach people to think for themselves, and we don t do that. i mean, in schools or any place else. there s a lot of indoctrination going on, and americans just put a big, fat straw in it and create it up. paul: kyle, do you think we are headed for a ban here on tiktok? a lot of momentum particularly on the conservative side. sensible members like michael

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