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the fbi director is saying right now. it sounds complicated, but all of us know what ieds are, improvised explosive devices. we know how many american troops and others lost legs, arms or were killed by ieds. yeah, wolf. absolutely right. i mean, director wray did an excellent job of explaining what these devices were. for the last few days, i ve been listening to reporting about how these were rudimentary devices. that s really all it takes, okay? this is volatile material contained very tightly within these pvc pipes. and he said it exactly right. spoken like a true bomb technician. heat, shock, friction. that s all it takes. you could take that containment and just shake it very quickly, and just that would be enough friction to ignite that material within that pipe and that alone would create an explosion and create shrapnel that could easily kill somebody. and pamela, you were there at the justice department for that briefing of the fbi director and

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