report those either. so it s his pattern of concealment that will get the attention of investigators. they think it s for something suspicious and i guarentee you that s what bob mueller will look at and the senate committee as well. you heard malcolm nance that feels at some level a personal-professional insult. this is his life s work. intelligence, counter intelligence, throughout this he has been on the air with us a million times. he s been in a state of disbelief that we re having this conversation. he was the first to give voice to this tonight. i heard others since. the notion of pulling the security clearance while there s question marks here while an investigation is going on. is that realistic? i would only mention the fact that there were omissions on mr. kushner s form that you do for the office of personnel management for high security. having been a veteran, having gone through that s those forms many times where they re asking you about every conversation you
firing and maybe just maybe this is making a bit more sense now. matthew miller i want to read you one more quote. i don t think we made enough of the original reporting tonight. yet again tonight by the washington post they and the new york times kind of trade back and forth. quote, how would this is a bit more of the reporting on jared. how would he trust that the russians wouldn t leak it on their side? said one former senior intelligence official. the fbi would know that a trump transition official was going in and out of the embassy which would cause a great deal of concern he added. the entire idea seems extremely naive or absolutely crazy. want to pick one, matthew. both. i think extremely knee yoonaive great term for it and when you look at his actions it raises the question why was someone 36 years old with so little government experience.
no real experience in politics other than this campaign and someone that clearly through the transition was in a bit over his head has been given so much responsibility at the white house. it s a question not just for looking backward but looking forward given all the things put in his basket. let s bring in former department of justice prosecutor and professor at georgetown law school in washington paul butler and counselor, thank you for joining us. yet again we made a lot of use of your legal talents of late. let s talk about if this story is true the legal jeopardy that changed for jared kushner. it s a federal crime to with hold information from a security clearance. it s a felony. you get up to 5 years in prison. based on his foreign statement today kushner s defense is going to be i forgot and ryan i have seen these case where is people say they forgot things like
government employee. he was a campaign person. adviser to trump. and so for him to talk an setting up this back channel and using the russian facilities to do it, for me, i never heard of that, most people never heard of that and it seems unseemly that he would be involved in that kind of relationship with the russians given everything else that we know about these relationships between trump and his allies and russia. so much attention, so much involvement, so many connections with the kremlin and with putin and all of this certainly demands investigation and better understanding of what they re doing, why they re doing this, what is going on. you know, i was on meet the press earlier and the question was brought up of whether or not this was a back channel which is sort of the normal course of doing business when an