upstairs. friday, friday. have a good show, alex. the very bad news for donald trump is that rudy giuliani has finally, today, learned to talk like a lawyer again. today, for the first time in years, rudy giuliani did not sound like a hallucinating mad man when he walked into the fulton county courthouse in georgia to testify to a grand jury. he did not sound like someone willing to tell any lie for donald trump. he didn t sound like someone ready to take any legal risks for donald trump. not anymore. not now that he has been formally declared a target of the grand jury s criminal investigation of exactly what rudy giuliani did for donald trump in georgia. the rudy giuliani you are about to see is truly shocking now. but it is the way rudy giuliani often handled press questions when he was a federal prosecutor in manhattan in the 19 80s. today, with rudy giuliani clinging to the wreckage of his legal career with his law license suspended, pending possible permanent disb
donald trump. he didn t sound like someone ready to take any legal risks for donald trump. not anymore. not now that he has been formally declared a target of the grand jury s criminal investigation of exactly what rudy giuliani did for donald trump in georgia. the rudy giuliani you are about to see is truly shocking now. but it is the way rudy giuliani often handled press questions when he was a federal prosecutor in manhattan in the 1980s. today, with rudy giuliani clinging to the wreckage of his legal career with his law license suspended, pending possible permanent disbarment, rudy giuliani found his lawyerly voice once again. [inaudible] we ll not talk about this, until the grand jury, and the grand jury s [inaudible] secret. do you believe president trump is the ultimate target of this investigation? i m not going to comment on the grand jury investigation. [inaudible] no more about it. they asked the questions [inaudible] will you be cooperative? you ar
get all of the evidence they need to make a very important and difficult decisions that we can expect to see, both from fani s office, and the special grand jury [inaudible] harry litman we know donald trump spent a similar amount of time in an under oath deposition in new york, with the new york state attorney general in a civil matter. but he took the fifth amendment 440 times. could that be a version of what happens today in georgia? definitely. so, typically, in federal practice and other criminal trials, when there was a target, they don t have to show up, they can just say, i am not going to talk, and the prosecutor gives them the pass. that s not so in georgia. i suspect that he didn t give very much and he gave some combination of the fifth amendment which he can validly a search to any question and possibly attorney-client privilege, though, as you note, he has no legal basis for it. but there is no way to sort of
440 times then why was rudy giuliani in the grand jury room for six hours? donald trump cannot be confident tonight that rudy giuliani did not give that grand jury, intentionally or not, some evidence that moved them closer to the biggest possible target of their investigation, donald trump. here is what district attorney fani willis said two weeks ago about the possibility of donald trump testifying to that grand jury. how important is it that the special grand jury hears from donald trump directly? i think that the special purpose grandeur a need to hear as much information from as many people that are willing to come and testify truthfully. georgia s republican governor brian kemp is now fighting a subpoena from fani willis to testify to the grand jury. the governor s motion today to quash the subpoena reveals, for the first time, that governor kemp was subpoenaed to give testimony tomorrow. legal correspondence attached
practice and other criminal trials, when there was a target, they don t have to show up, they can just say, i am not going to talk, and the prosecutor gives them the pass. that s not so in georgia. i suspect that he didn t give very much and he gave some combination of the fifth amendment which he can validly a search to any question and possibly attorney-client privilege, though, as you note, he has no legal basis for it. but there is no way to sort of freeze proceedings, go to the judge and get a ruling in the middle of things. they can push it later. i think, quite likely, it forced every single question on him, so that the grand jury could hear him answer every single question. but he either invoked the fifth amendment or attorney client privilege. gwen keyes fleming, tell me what you know about how these grand juries work whatever fani willis is options if rudy giuliani comes in there and does take the fifth amendment hundreds of times? i think you are going to see her t