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it s that we don t have any reasons to give up. it s a painful and turbulent journey, but look at me, i m sitting here to do an interview with you. i am really lucky and fortunate. a lot of my fellows who are in hong kong, they re injails, behind bars for years. they still don t have any verdict. their crime isjoining a primary election, speaking up against the chinese communist party, and when you think about that, i don t have any reason to give up just because of, well, china is the largest and most powerful authoritarian country. and it gives me more motivation to do what i m doing because i think doing that, of course, we eventually want to return to a hong kong which is a democratic and free one, but we also have a lot of fellows that are suffering and we need to address that and we want to change that. we have to end there. nathan law, thank you forjoining me again on hardtalk. thank you so much. thank you.
yeah, i mean, amongst their methods are putting pressure notjust on you, but on family and friends, and some of them, of course, still in hong kong. so how effective is that? because i know, in recent weeks, your family has felt this directly. this is definitely outrageous. like, when we look at the persecution in hong kong, it s getting more and more similar to mainland china. there are a lot of human rights activists, the most famous one, liu xiaobo, the nobel peace prize winner in 2010, they all got arrested, being put injailfor years, just because of they are speaking up against the government. what s more scary is their families also face similar situations. but your families have been questioned, they were briefly detained. and are they saying to you, nathan, we ve got a real problem here ? for now, definitely, we don t have any direct communication. and the government is trying
president macron of france, chancellor scholz of germany, making very high profile trips to beijing, wanting to deepen trading ties, despite everything that we ve discussed. how deep is your disappointment? well, i ve criticised a lot of global leaders for not being as assertive as they should be, facing the threat of the chinese communist party, and that shows i am really independent of their influence and i m representing at least a large, significant proportion of hong kong people s opinion. it may also show that your message isn t cutting through and that, in the end, china holds the cards, not least because of its massive and growing economic power. well, isn t it actually quite easy to think that my message doesn t cut through when china has so much power and has so much resources? i m not naive. i m not saying that china doesn t have power
eventually, hong kong is a very important hub and it has a lot of, well, signals about china and countries still pay attention to it. and i think as long as we can use any of these examples to remind anyone in the world that there is a growing authoritarianism from china and we have to step up to stop them, i think that s a good course. president xi uses nationalism. nationalism is a very important motivating factor in china right now. the chinese portray you as a puppet in the pocket of the united states and other hostile forces who want to see china fail. you play into that, don t you? you spend an awful lot of time in the united states. you go see people like mike pompeo when you re there. are you in the pocket of interests in the united states? i haven t played into that.
of hong kong, the stability of hong kong? hong kong still, relatively speaking, is a good place to do business, where people like to travel to do their tourism. that still remains, and hong kongers care about that. well, first of all, the hong kong economy is going downhill and that s why a lot of people left, especially those expats. and secondly. not as many left as you thought would. and, secondly, the most important thing in hong kong is definitely a just and a fair social system, including our political system. millions of hong kong people are marching down the streets, and you cannot omit the fact that they ve done so much to make their voice heard, just for a better and just political system, and you cannot say that, 0h, because the demands were not met so that they abolish what they wanted. things don t happen that way. they still have that determination, but it s just the environment is so closed and whenever they speak up, they got persecuted.