it s a challenge that we face, but one we must face. martha: thank you very much, gentlemen. sobering conversation and we ll see what we hear from the white house. we are watching this very closely and we should get information any minute really. thank you for being here. still to come tonight, several former fbi agents say that james comey s newfound fame is really not that great for the bureau. we re going to speak to one of those people who feels that way you re at a longtime agent and the fbi about this before the celebrity. plus, president trump clearing the name of scooter libby, pardoning judith miller her reaction to this huge story today coming up next. in our system, each individual is presumed innocent and entitled to due process at a fair trial termites.