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could give immunity to and then they can t take the fifth. they can t take the fifth anymore. they have to say what happened. and i really do think that today, i think we have passed the rubicon in terms of real criminal activity being exposed to the american people. yeah, i mean, charlie, i held you over because i asked congresswoman luria about whether they re presenting enough evidence for doj should they go to route to prosecute a conspiracy to defraud the government. the two crimes pat cipollone mentions are defrauding the government, obstructing justice and electoral count act fraud, i think, was what cassidy hutchinson testified to and she apologized for not knowing the specific statutes, but doj will know what they are. my question for you, we had jim jordan play a prominent role. he hands cassidy hutchinson the phone, goes to the oval office, and the only person he wants to be interrupted to hear from is jim jordan. we also have testimony that invokes kevin mccarthy saying,

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