This quoircast podcast episode is brought to you by RJ The Astronaut by Jon Turney. Published by Quoir and available now. In this episode Jon and Nat chat with Bethan Cseh Bethany Nass Cseh is a writer, speaker, pastor, and mama to three adopted kids. You might know her as Pastor Bethany. And now you will know her as a co-host of This Is Not Church Podcast. You can follow Bethany on: Facebook Instagram Twitter Check out Catalyst Church on their website You can purchase Bethany's books on Amazon.com You can connect with This Is Not Church on: Facebook Instagram Twitter TikTok YouTube Also check out our Biolink for all things This Is Not Church related Please like and follow our Quoircast Partners : Heretic Happy Hour Messy Spirituality Apostates Anonymous Second Cup with Keith The Church Needs Therapy Ideas Digest Snarky Faith Podcast Wild Olive Deadly Faith Spirituality Brew Pub Faith For The Rest Of Us Jonathan Foster Sacred Thoughts Holy Heretics Reframing Our Stories Bros Bibles