fehrs? reporter: what he saw in donald trump that he had never seen before was somebody who had a humanitarian impulse and that that motivated him in many ways, having looked at those pictures of those children, in particular in syria, that that motivated him to act and he said that moral outrage is something he had never seen in donald trump s repertoire before. it s a face nating development to be able to speak to these two men reporter: right. who spent so much time studying 24 president, isn t it? reporter: yeah. and they say he s changed but just around the edges. that donald trump will always be donald trump. it s hard to change when you re 70 years old. wolf? as they said. p thanks so much. good reporting from our own