point that it may not be somebody in the room, because if it s somebody in the room, that is somebody that is obviously probably close to trump, probably not a partisan, probably partisan to trump, but then it could be somebody who was, as he said, just arranging some type of deal. the thing here is, in order to get the smoking gun, you have to have, okay, are you going to reopen this investigation of the bidens and connecting it to the $250 million in military aid to the ukraine. there has to be that connection, not just an eye wink. i mean, that s what democrats want and they re frustrated that he can t get information. a connect, bob, in forms of a transcript from the call, right? i mean yes. that s the only thing that really can do this effectively. yes. yes, that s right. and democrats, and obviously, the administration is not giving it. now, the one thing michael atkinson this is a trump-appointed inspector general. if you look at his i was looking at his question