they re going to say about this at this point on, but it is collusion and it shows donald trump was covering up from the get go if this is true. jennifer, i want to get your reaction now that you have a little bit of time to stare at it. you know, this is the piece of evidence that you never get. it s so good. it is so on point that you dream as a prosecutor that you will get this. the second thought in my mind is was this another conversation that michael cohen recorded? we know there are lots of recordings. and boy if he recorded a conversation about a payment to
point one way or the other. that s right. and what we have seen in this allegation is that there were a number of people that would have been witness to this conversation, according to what people are saying michael cohen knew. so it is entirely possible that someone else in that conversation is already talking and trying to throw the scent off of them. this is one of the things that s frustrating i m sure for the congressman and others as to why the house investigation was shut down before they were able to call the entire range of witnesses that they wanted to see. so you could get those multiple perspectives. if you were running a thorough investigation, you could call these witnesses and call them back again. and then you can make some determinations of fact. but the challenge here is that we have a group of people who are clearly willing to not tell the truth and a chairman who is uninterested in getting to the bottom of anything. and congressman, i just want to make a point t
audiotape made by michael cohen discussing setting up a company to make payments to a woman who claims she had a yearlong sexual relationship with donald trump, this structure to buy her silence. and donald trump has lied about that particular story for now the better part of a year saying that he absolutely didn t know anything about any of this kind of thing. and so we have already had one michael cohen audio recording prove donald trump to be a liar and so in this contest of who is telling the truth, that s all part of the tapestry of credibility that we re dealing with. that s right, lawrence. it is also very telling from the discussion about karen mcdougal that michael cohen and donald trump, one, would have a conversation about something like this. two, they were willing to operate in such a shadowy way, which i think suggests that michael cohen very well may be
the republicans said no. so mueller will have the ability to subpoena records and do that sort of circling corroboratory evidence if he goes down this path to try to confirm what cohen says. it is not just other people. there will be pieces of evidence to show whether cohen was even in a position to hear this conversation. we re going to squeeze in a break here. when we come back, we have new reporting tonight about donald trump s reaction to that michael cohen audio recording that we just played for you and how shocked the president was when he discovered that that was becoming public. that s coming up right after this break.
a playboy, ex-playboy model, wouldn t he record something like this? it was his practice apparently. so if so, that s the bombshell. but i do agree with david on several points. first of all, this is collusion. this is an attempt. this is a fraud on the american people. this is a fraud on the election. it makes his entire presidency in my mind illegitimate. this is the thing that he s been worried about all along. he s been afraid that democrats are trying to discredit his administration, his presidency. and guess what? they re right.