are you worried about the doctors. i am, i am, of course. i m not worried about it for me. i m pretty sure they re not going to see me there. i had it twice and i beat it. yeah. so i don t see i m not worried about me, but i am worried about other people not being protected. i m protected. my body has been protected naturally. we are out of time. i hope that you will getting between dr. patel and talk offline. we need to have more of these conversations. thank you, joy, for having me. thank you. evelyn anton mcdowell and dr. patel, that s tonight s reidout. tonight on all in i spoke with him that day after, i think after. i don t know if i spoke with him in the morning or not. i just don t know. he s a material witness with nothing to hide. i ve got nothing to hide. i ve been straightforward all
exhausted the conversation about the efficacy of the vaccine and ending this nightmare. health experts estimate that about 15% of u.s. adults remain unflinchingly unvaccinated. who are those people? and what will it take to move them? well, you know many of them. they re not all trump supporters. they re your friends, your relatives, even your kids. and these days it feels like we are talking past each other. well, tonight we are going to try something different. instead of talking about them, let s talk with them. joining me now is evelyn anton mcdowell, an educator at a private university who remains unvaccinated and dr. kavita patel our friend and msnbc medical contributor. thank you for being mere. ms. mcdowell, nice to meet you. thank you for coming on. i appreciate you. i think a lot of folks not getting vaccinated are hiding it. people are buying fake vax cards and sneaking. i like the fact that you re just being you and being open about it. let me ask you this question, why are
novak djokovic. is that true? i know people that got it twice. doesn t that mean your natural immunity doesn t stop you from getting covid again? yeah, joy, first of all, ms. mcdowell, i m glad you came here because i think more people actually agree with you and have your feeling. here s the problem with natural immunity. it doesn t last at the same levels forever. the antibodies that you have measured, we know now that those antibodies specifically are not as protective against omicron. you are correct, vaccines don t prevent you from getting infected, they are meant to prevent disease. what we know is unfortunately natural immunity from any of the strains before omicron do not protect against omicron, but here s some good news. your natural immunity with vaccine-induced immunity and the t-cells that you mentioned, the t-cells are like a quarterback of a football team. when you vaccinate, you get the t-cells organized and the entire defensive and offensive line