obviously there are a lot of with joe biden and the debunked pictures with the president with a lot of people and these are conspira repetitive events and this ties conspiracy theories about ukraine s role in went ballisti back for trump s attempt to get dirt from joe biden from ukraine. right. yeah. exactly. one of the broader questions was john bolton ballistic that s being asked tonight, erin because he being not believe is whether or not the effort to this was happening and had a problem with it? i think bolton, as smear joe biden was perhaps controversial as he was as a another influence operation, national security adviser, he foreign influence operation was very critical of russia and itself. was it perhaps something that very supportive of ukraine and people we don t know about, perhaps the russians, people who he saw what jewel yaen was doing are pro-russian business people and what these two ambassadors were doing as derailing what he in ukraine were behind funding re
a vote to authorize the investigation. we would if they give us our rights. it depends if they vote and they say you can t have lawyers and you can t ask questions and you can t have anyone present is and all of these crazy things and it really is an unfair situation. former assistant director of the office of congressional affairs at the fbi under president bush and ann millgram, former attorney general and doug brinkley, excuse me, cnn presidential historian and evan peres is also with me our senior justice correspondent. we should have lawyers ask questions and have people present and he calls the whole inquiry unfair. is there any truth to that? hi, erin. i would say there is not any truth to that, and i am not a journalist, but i would guarantee you that not a single journalist has said anything like that except somebody out there on the fringe who isn t a
was perfect and we see mike pence and pompeo, and when they have to testify before congress and when they have to provide documents and whether they have expressed doubts or concerns. which so many others on the call found it to be wholly inappropriate as those who listened to it. evan, pence and pompeo under immense scrutiny. refusing anyone from the state department that they can control and not allowing them to testify. one person in trump s orbit who is escaping so far, but could be very important, who is that? that s bill barr. look, in the beginning of this he was in the crosshairs of the democrats and they were faulting him not only because he was mentioned in the phone call and he told the ukrainian leader i want you to work with my attorney general and my personal attorney rudy giuliani on this issue with the bidens. beyond, that the justice department, if you remember, produced the legal guidance that blocked this whistle-blower
but in the end by christmas season donald trump will probably have an eye on his chest forever, meaning he was impeached by congress and senate will be a trial and they ll take on a whole different contour then. evan, look, the letter is or i m sorry, what i say is the transcript is what the transcript is of the call, right? it it s there, so either people think see this as enough or they don t. do is there fear in congress that they re running the risk of right now the american people have seen that. they understand that. they re focused on it, but the longer this draws out and you already had the quote, unquote smoking gun, youio don t g don . do you lose momentum? that s one of the reasons why you see the nervous comments about perhaps trying to hold the vote sooner rather than later and that s what the president s aim here is. that s what his team s aim here is to drag this out and make it
giuliani was providing information that ended up as part of that investigation that is still ongoing. evan peres, and everyone is back with me. with just with what evan was saying, okay, the department of justice. it s trump s department of justice. it s his attorney general bill barr who is also implicated in in what the whistle-blower is saying and in the transcript of the call. ? yes. he would be the con one exonerating a co in the report. i m an alum of the department of justice. i oversaw statewide criminal investigations and the idea that you wouldn t open this up into investigation is not plausible that on the face of the paper you wouldn t go further. barr has an enormous conflict. he needed to recuse on this and he should not have personally had any role. we don t know yet whether he did, and there s no question that he should be involved in any way, shape or form on this. so, bob, we have giuliani today also urging congress to