you actually get to the trial of the matter, whether it is the documents case or the expected january 6th federal indictment, federal indictment that i think ultimately will be brought. and then, of course, there is georgia, which if there are state charges there with a state conviction there, and if there s a conviction, obviously there would be appeal. i don t think any judge would say the former president has to go to prison, pending appeal, so he d probably be free, pending appeal. we are a couple years away, two years at least away, from this question being really on the threshold of actually happening. yeah, that s right, and i m talking about the federal cases. my knowledge is really confined to federal bureau of prisons. i don t know what would happen in new york or georgia. maybe they don t have those kinds of capacities that i just described in the federal
somebody else, he could turn around and pardon trump as well what are the dangers wit having someone like trum possibly have this type of power yet again? and does this factor in voters minds? i mean, let s not forget tha he s facing three othe criminal charges, potentiall facing three other crimina investigations, and then ultimately possibly charges in georgia, and the two by jackson? i think your question goe to go why the stat prosecutions are so important, right? because donald trump cannot, even if he wins the presidency pardon himself for a state conviction and that is part of the reason that it is really importan that as the walls closed in on him, it s not just federal charges, we are also seein state charges. i think the other thing that you said that so important i that we re getting this kind o funky split screen, where on the one hand, we are hearing and that s the through lin between our last discussio about clarence thomas, and
georgia, and the two by jack smith? i think your question goe to go why the stat prosecutions are so important, right? because donald trump cannot, even if he wins the presidency pardon himself for a state conviction and that is part of the reason that it is really importan that as the walls closed in on him, it s not just federal charges, we are also seein state charges. i think the other thing that you said that is so importan is that we re getting this kin of funky split screen, where o the one hand, we are hearing and that s the through lin between our last discussio about clarence thomas, and donald trump, that some people are simply above the law they are too big to be convicted, right and that the law is for little people that is certainly the argument that s being made. and at the same time, the othe screen, and this is the really pernicious argument, is that w can use the law to go afte people we don t like
they are state cases. regardless what happens in the presidential election, those cases go forward. what about would a state conviction this is i m jumping several leaps here. hypothetically, would a state conviction bar him from holding federal office? that s a great question. i don t believe so. i don t think the state conviction alone. you would need to have a federal remedy. there are federal remedies that can come into play. that s quite aways down the road. that would also be the case in fulton county? yeah, the same thing. the state conviction alone would not be enough to bar him as a federal candidate. but the underlying facts that have been proved could be used by federal authorities to say he should not serve again. still on the trump legal front, ashley parker, switching gears, he is suing our friend and your colleague bob woodward
new tonight a federal judge is rejecting a plea deal reached by prosecutors and two of the men convicted in the mudder of ahmaud arbery under the terms of the agreement the mcmichaels would have been transferred from a state prison to federal custody. arbery s mother was angered by the proposed deal and told the judge not to accept it. the attorney for ahmaud arbery s family joins me now. we re so happy you re here to discuss this. good evening. ahmaud s mother wonda cooper jones called the plea deal disrespectful. tell us why this deal wasn t enough. well, the main concern with the deal was that wonda fought hard to secure a state conviction for the three men who murdered her son two without the possibility of parole.