here. it does lead to one question. we always ask, whose night is it going to be is it make or break for? tonight could be make or break for who? john kasich is one person, as john berman said, he s mad as hell, he s not going to take it anymore. here s what he said. i want to get your take on what it means for tonight. listen. do you know how crazy this election is? let me tell you something. i ve about had it with these people. i am sick and tired of listening to this nonsense, and i m going to have to call it like it is as long as i m in this race. campaign says this is his new confrontational tone, his new strategy that they re going to be employing. but what do these guys, these establishment guys that haven t broken through, john kasich is one of them, what do they have to do to stand out tonight? well, they have to be more aggressive. but the problem is, you can t change really who you are. and john kasich hasn t been very aggressive in the debates.
scream at them to get out of our country? that s just crazy. that is just crazy. we got people proposing health care reform that s going to leave, i believe, millions of people without adequate health insurance. what has happened to our party? what has happened to the conservative movement? carl, are there a lot of conservatives who agree with him? does he sound more like a democrat there? he sounds more like a democrat and sounds even more like jeb bush throwing in the towel. the issue is he s at the bottom of the polls. one thing to look at here is the two guys that are leading the polls now are are bush excuse me, carson and trump. and they re both nonestablishment i like that freudian slip, carl. they re not republican establishment guys. they are absolutely just plain old guys that have been in the business world that have been in the real world not in politics and over 50% of the polls in a dozen-people plus race. i got to go, guys. can i say one thing about kasic
establishment? the reason that is happening. you are in establishment guys. i am an establishment guy. the reason that s happening is people are so sick of politics as usual. you saw some of that tonight. yeah. it was politics as usual. when the chips were down, they called hillary out, the other candidates, you know. why do you think they were building her up? i think that it s because. you think she s been on many? d the democratic party is more important than this election. the republicans haven t figured that out yet. your party is having a problem picking a leader. well they have a candidate named trump, but they haven t been able to pick a speaker. what you just said is the true crux of it all. this time we have to pick a leader.
didn t and now they re using $1 million to attack him. and i have nothing against bill crystal threatening to support a third candidate if trump wins the election. what. some establishment guys will pick up their toys and go home if they don t get their candidate to win this after donald trump was pressured by everyone to sign an allegiance pledge? what s your reaction to that? that s the genius thing. he gamed them on the pledge. they re stuck with him now. the fact is if he s the candidate, that poses a lot more of a problem for half those candidates. you hear this stuff and these guys sound like they re living in cuckoo land. you hear the donor class because they re disenchanted with jeb now maybe if trump becomes the nominee they will dust off mitt romney and run him as a third party candidate. they are to blame for this
and jerry. guys, let me put up this new cbs/ new york times poll. we see donald trump and ben carson. i don t want to talk about the margin between the two, because running one and two in all the polls. what s most remarkable is the outsiders and separation with everyone else. people are not leaving the establishment guys for other establishment guys. they re leaving the establishment guys for ben carson or donald trump. jeffrey? what we see is a battle between outsiders, between trump and carson. with everybody else, possibly not carly fiorina, pushed off to the side. then what do you do at that point? in the past when you have battles like that we re here at the reagan library. the battle between ronald reagan and george h.w. bush, was the ticket. you wonder if what we re seeing here is the formative stage, trump/carson or whatever ticket