asymmetrical warfare that results in just a ton of carnage, a lot of deaths, but doesn t measurably change the dynamics of the war? how long can that go on? well, i think the ukrainian people also want it, you know, right now, obviously, there s so much death and carnage, but the ukrainian people are solidly behind the president that they want to fight for the country. so i think that will be an ongoing national conversation, and president zelenskyy will just have to make those determinations as this goes on. i think you re absolutely right. like this is from putin s playbook. he s done this with the syrians in aleppo. he s done it in grazny as you ve been talking about all day and so we know what s going to happen, even if, you know, we re talking about negotiating humanitarian corridors, russia is not immune to bombing one of those corridors as the civilians are leaving, and it s a whole idea in terms of trying to not
putin himself has really waged on his own people. i mean, i think that the more that the russian people find out about the carnage that s going on there, and there s this huge information blackout, independent tv, media has all been gutted. it s really hard to get outside information from social media because a lot of those channels have either shut down or putin has banned them. so and we also don t know how many people were bussed into this rally just like they are in all of these conflicts around the world when an authoritarian wants to show support for his efforts, he buses people in to show and you know, we just don t know how many of these people really support the war, though clearly there is a lot of support. but for putin, especially among the older population. just there s also a residual thing, and these horrible scenes of these ukrainians fleeing their home, they re fleeing their home to these neighboring countries who are taking them in as we have been saying.
when russians speak out in protest on camera. on the other hand, there s the visual of 200,000 or there s the reporting that 200,000 russians came to a pro-war rally with vladimir putin. there s the visual. do they see civilians as targets? i mean, it s probably unlikely that they re actually getting this information back in russia, but how do you understand putin s support for the war back home in russia? well, i think you hit the nail on the head, alex. i mean, we don t know what information they have and what they don t, and that s why there s this new effort now to try and get real, accurate information, not just about the civilian casualties in ukraine but about death of russian soldiers, because anybody that is standing at that rally right now, if they had a dead russian soldier relative, i don t think they d be supporting the war. and so that s really about this information war that russia and
peaceful protest. in all the united nations today estimated more than 900 ukrainian civilians died since vladimir putin deployed the so-called peacekeeping force and the people to flee the homes now numbering some 10 million or the populations of chicago, los angeles, houston and seattle combined. earlier today president biden was party to a secure call with the leaders of other top nato powers. we know biden won t visit ukraine but making a stop in poland. let s get right to nbc news correspondent ali arouzi live on the ground. thank you for risking your safety. up until this moment lviv had been a safe haven for civilians and the press. what can you tell us about the mood on the ground as putin s war is increasingly brutal?
the security council and a military analyst and katie kay. general mccaffrey, i want to unpack the concept of a stalemate. what does that mean in the context of putin s invasion in ukraine? there s a lot of discussion of that including by the military experts of the russian campaign in which they may have concluded that the ground combat units cannot achieve the takedown of kyiv. i m dubious of that thought. i think the russians may well decide that in stead to try to encircle the cities and lay siege to them and use the artillery forces ab rockets to bring the city down in a massive atrocity targeting the civilian