looking carefully. as you know, hr halderman ended up going to prison after watergate for obstruction of justice, for perjury. so just because you were chief of staff doesn t get you off the hook. and just because you were once president of the united states doesn t get you off the hook if there were crimes being committed. so i think we re getting into very serious terrain here, and i don t think it s possible to unring this bell now that this information is coming flooding out. quick final question. you ve already told us that you don t think that meadows has a strong claim here for executive privilege. whatever that claim is, it s stronger than the claim that bannon had, right? absolutely. steve bannon put over to the side because he wasn t even a ent federal employee. mark meadows, although he was, i think it s pretty weak. i think he s playing with fire here. he could end up just like hr