as a claim that he is innocent and pure as the driven snow, i think these arguments are pretty difficult to maintain. as an argument against even talking to the president and asking him about what he did with don junior and in the other settings, the arguments strike me as pretty y. kris, charlie savage, thank you both. president trump has been slamming the former head of the cia who has not held back of his criticism of the occupant of the oval office. john brennan is here with me next to talk about the president s twitter attacks. plus, bill clinton back in the hot seat 20 years after his impeachment trial. if you were president now in 2018 with everything that s going on with the me too movement, how you d have approached the accusations differently? well, i don t think it would be an issue because people would be using the facts instead of the imagined facts. we ll have more on what former president is saying about monica lieu wince sky and
could also pardon himself? well, it s not going to happen so it s a hypothetical point. i think the presidential power there s nothing that limits the presidential power of pardon from a federal crime, not a state crime. president trump is not going to do that. he s obviously not going to give up any of his pardon powers. the president of the united states pardoning himself would just be unthinkable. and it would it would lead to probably an immediate impeachment. all right, gang r let s get into it. in seattle is david kris. onset we have white house correspondent from bloomberg news sharon petty piece, along with national political reporter. that i out here, david. account president pardon himself or not legally? it s an open kwquestion becae no president in history has been brazen enough to try it. on the one hand the pardon power
that. we know that he came pretty close to stepping down last term, but he has hired his clerks, he s got the usual summer schedule of teaching overseas that he usually does when he been on the scourt. so we just have no idea. we ll probably have to wait till the end of the month to find out for sure. and we re also continuing to wait on reaction from either the baker, his attorneys, or the same-sex couple that was involved in this a well. i presume that we will be hearing from those lawyers at some point throughout the morning. i want to bring in tom goldstein. pete, thank you for that. i m going to let you get back to reading that ruling. tom, this is a case that is one of the marquis occasions this term for the supreme court. we have a decision upcoming perhaps in the next couple of mondays in the president s travel ban. this is the other one we had been waiting and watching for. are you surprised by what the court has found here? no, because think the court was trying to find a
entirely dependent upon whether the president s base abandons house republicans. a lot of this discussion started when the new york times broke the story about the memo they obtained. one of the people who was on the by line of that report was washington correspondent charlie savage who is joining me now. charlie, take us behind the scentle bit. your team gets their hands on this memo. what s the first thing do you in reporting it out? reporter: after we confirm it s real, we dct it. we re trying toerstand what it is. it s making these sweeping arguments from top to bottom, not only did trump not violate the obstruction laws as a matter of these technical parsing of the statute or their arguments about the facts, but it also is backing all that up with this sweeping view that the president yields wields exclusive authority over the justice department from top to bot to, n he order any case opened, any case shut downed. he can pardon anybody and shut down any case and that means
can t obstruct himself as a matter of constitutional power. it s a breathtaking view, it s clearly what they re throwing at the mueller team to say you better not subpoena this president or go much further because you re going face a teng amount of fupushback from the constitution to politics. and here s what we re seeing is the president and rudy giuliani publicly make the points that he that memo made despite it was made months ago. there s also something that s ht folks s attention that they dictate tated that infamous statement about the june 2016 tower meeting between donald trump jooun juror and a rush lawyer even after months of denials that that actually happened from the president s lawyers and his aids. here s a little bit of a look at that. the president did not draft the response. the response was came from donald trump jr. and i m suren consultationith his lawyer. the president didn t sign off on anything. he was coming back from the