And manipulation studio and you kind of subvert the house and take expression of political will and based on his democracies i do it in certain the way they are relying on laws and regulations to ensure that self interest authoritarian regimes may be doing that and more in crew there are ways but ultimately i think the conclusion of your book is that everybody doesnt. No really i mean i dont think thats the conclusion theres a lot of countries that arent in the book which dont really do it or at least do it less and theres a lot of countries in europe in north america that you know manipulate elections instead in ways not enough hours so in the United States for example it is true that historically black populations of minority populations a struggle to be able to vote and express their Political Rights and thats still an issue that the United States needs to do today its also true that gerrymandering is a major issue in the u. S. You know kind of politicians trying to choose their vot
A realisation and deeply how the leave that for the west democracy is not a value its not the goal its not something that they lead by its actually an instrument its in to all of many places and its as theyve i think totally wrong about that. Tell me a little bit more because i dont really see why democracy would be a stick of the west so tell me a little bit more about where that perception comes from well he your book is not very flattering to you after it terry ends but i think youre ultimately confirmed that a deeply held believe that everybody almost everybody uses different kinds of tricks and manipulation studio and you kind of subvert the house and take expression of political will and based on his democracy is i doing it in certain the way they are relying on laws and regulations to ensure that self interest authoritarian nations may be doing that and more in crew there are ways but ultimately i think the conclusion of your book is that everybody doesnt. No really i mean i don
A permanent and deliberate handicap. Absolute academic concert as i have to say the kind of is that is the option that some less let me in between those 2 extremes i think you know we go back to the seventys or eightys if we were talking then about exactly this question these countries going through growing pains and i think by the time weve got 2020 we need to recognize that countries that are stuck in this kind of middle ground between terrorism on the one hand and democracy in the other they hold elections but they rig the elections the same government a leader is in power for very long its im these countries arent simply having growing pains that are on the way to some wonderful democratic future need for a day you know complete or talk or sees that have no ability to have any criticism whatsoever they seem to be reasonably stable countries that are stuck in between these 2 extremes so. It would be i think we should expect countries like russia to look roughly the same intensity in
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These 2 extremes so. It would be i think we should expect countries like russia to look roughly the same intensity in 20 years time and its going to take quite a lot to shift russia even to a complete or a terran state that doesnt hold elections rule or to a much more Democratic State where we could genuinely talk about some of the troops and losing power i was drawing of a after the soviet union and i remember very vividly this transition from infuse the absentee anyone if you see as and for democracy to see a lot of cynicism not only among the people but also among the leaders and when it comes to the latter and. It was primarily driven by a realisation and deeply held belief that for the west democracy is not a value its not the goal its not something that they lead by its actually an instrument its in to all of many places and its as theyve i think totally wrong about that. Tell me a little bit more because i dont really see why democracy would be a stick of the west so tell me a l