you and i talked about the black energy attack, first successful one in the ukraine. it is almost a year to the day we talked about this, happened to summer 23rd. it is one of those things, is it the wrong time to have been? absolutely, but any time is the wrong time, and why it took us to this point to be worried about this, we should have been married ten years ago. jenna: what happened in the ukraine? that has been referenced a lot with this report. we honestly don t live there. what happened in ukraine that was so dangerous and so scary quite frankly? this was one power station with two substations, attackers came in they had already been using a package called black energy, malware that was present and found on the vermont laptop, the utility company up there. what they were able to do, they court needed a campaign to shut down the main power station, substations and even the backup power to the substation. they took over the complete infrastructure and shut off power to proba
cooperated with us. what we should have people that are bipartisan including people from the technology and the intelligence community to come together and come out and say, yeah, we agreed together collectively bipartisan, across the agency that russia was behind it. but what we re doing undercuts the analysis. if i saw this report, i say i didn t believe that. why should i believe this? tell me about the black energy attack and the laptop specifically. look, december 23, 2015, kiev, ukraine, the first use of black energy to take out 700,000 homes. almost a year to the date, kiev was attacked again. another substation was taken off line. almost a similar attack. that same type of malware was found on a laptop at a utility company in vermont. people are saying, it wasn t connected to the grid. that s not the question. the question is what is it doing on a laptop in a utility company to begin with.
picture. it s bringing forward the injustice in the criminal justice system and it s easy for people to fall prey to improper prosecutorial techniques. the producers or creators spent so much time with avery s family it is kind of one-sided. the show is concerned with ratings so we do have to remember that. jon: this is not a criminal courtroom. thank you both. reporter: experts say a cyber attack got a big chunk of sue crane s power grid. it would be the first successful black energy attack. we ll take a look at the risk to america s power grid.
racism. a new abc news/washington post poll out today shows trump in first place, ben carson in second place and jeb bush in third. jeb bush had no problem attacking his second-place opponent over the weekend. i hear ben, who s a nice guy, he s a very nice man. he s a surgeon. but he s way behind me. what about me, i m leading. they don t mention that. people don t have energy. i don t think ben has the energy. carson was asked if trump s low energy attack bothered him on sunday. no, it doesn t bother me, because i recognize that i have plenty of energy. you know, operating on people for 10, 12, sometimes greater than 20 hours at a time, making critical decisions after many hours of intense work. but dr. carson having unexpected situations come up. you don t have to be loud to be
members of the flat earth society. they would not have believed that the world was round. he got a great response for that. but karen, you guys have a new poll in the last couple of days. how dangerous are rising gas prices for the president? i think our polling suggested that is the main reason that his approval ratings have been falling, and again with these various segments that he has struggled with the most. but i find it interesting. there s also about three levels to this energy attack, in that he s also trying to attack the republicans on their doubts about man s role in causing global warming. and also the white house has been on the defensive about its own policies to foster alternative energy sources, specifically those loans that they made to solyndra.