believe that encryption platforms like silent circle, telegram, whatsapp might have been used, how does that change the game and what does it mean to how the intelligence community needs to change the paradigm of what they think about surveillance? well, i believe that certain parts of the intelligence community are already looking at these platforms, especially very popular programs that were used in the middle east. i used whatsapp which was very well known in the middle east well before it came over to the west and telegram, which has the self-destruct timers in them. they are vulnerable to exploitation by the security and communications intelligence agencies of the world. now isis knows that they are on the hit list, they will probably shift to something else. malcolm nance, executive director for the terror asymmetrics project, thank you. joining me now is democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut.