622639. go to ed.msnbc.com. we ll bring you the results later in the show. let s bring there byron dorgan, also with us, former vermont governor and dnc chairman howard dean. joan walsh, editor at large, salon.com. good to have you with us. senator dorgan, romney camp is depicting newt gingrich as untrustworthy and self-serving. is that a stretch, or is that the guy you know? you know, i served with him when i was in u.s. house for a number of years, en aen and i ka lot about newt gingrich. these are tough times for the country. we need someone running for president who is serious about the country. to me, at least, would have disqualified someone running for president. i m talking about after i left the house, went to the senate, he became speaker, he was fined $300,000 by the ethics committee of the house for ethical sanctions. he was sanctioned by the