breakfast and dinner and didn t know what was going on, and was a bad manager and should be fired. this confirms people in government do a horrible job, and what do they get, a 11-month vacation? martha: it is unbelievable. you would think, and you stated, so well, john, because either he didn t know what was going on and that s a problem or he did, and that s a problem. but what it says to me along the way here there is just this acceptance, this sort of, well, everybody does this stuff, right? this is agency sort of pep talk, employee rally. we went out to vegas, what is the big deal? terrible people are out there pointing fingers at us when we re just trying to rev up our employees. this conference was outrage just by government standards. they $3200 mind reader to play carnac the magnificent or whatever it was. look, the real problem what happens to the average employee at gsa. they did fire 11 people over this conference, 11 low