health care event joe is. but you ve got to look at who is going to win this election. maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say, okay, i like so-and-so better, but the bottom line has to be that we have to beat trump. harris: meanwhile, politico is reporting biden s emphasis on traditional big-money fund-raisers may be backfiring. they report a big drop-off and smaller online donations to biden, sparking some people to worry this signals a lack of enthusiasm among the democratic base. i don t know what she s basing that on, his ability to win. and what everybody else is missing in the room. your ideas on health care might be better. that s a huge topic. is that based on the times that he didn t win? richard: there are two different issues. i think that something they might want to think twice about, predicated his candidacy on electability. somebody else elizabeth warren, phil and the blanket, if they get closer in the head-to-head against trump. harris: bernie sander