also went out in public and claimed he was taking orders from the state department. that made them look bad. but, in fact, he was part of a plot to run the state department, to run omb. he and mulvaney are, to a degree, that definitely has criminal consequences. the intent by the cynics to narrow this to what will the senate vote be and that s the only thing that matters? there s also giuliani clients who are indicted and other people who have rising legal exposure. i will say as an analyst, reading this report, what s in this report today makes it look like other people are more likely to face potential indictment than what we knew yesterday. david and joyce, thank you as always. we ll be coming back to you on this story. emily, i ll see you later in the program. i ve been telling you at home how we ll go through the steps of this. before i bring out our next
president before? that s the question. we ve had terrible presidents. we ve even had presidents that were corrupt and abuse of power in various ways. but really in the minds of the founders in creating the impeachment procedure, have we had that president? the report answer on the evidence is worse than nixon, not as an opinion, not as an assessment, but in the measurable, accountable ways of abusing the levers of power and defying congress. the evidence is here. that s one answer, that is so striking. jacob and emily, thanks to both of you, special guests for special coverage. still ahead, what is the blueprint that will pave the way for tomorrow s judiciary committee? a special guest on that when we come back. ial guest on that whe come back. look at me there is someone
impeachment inquiry is illegitimate. not that they need to present their side, that things might be unfair, but it should not be allowed to take place and it should not be accepted in any way. and in saying that nunes was complicit, i think what schiff is saying is the white house, in obstructing our legitimate constitutional role has had help from inside the house. there are people who should be on our team institutionally, even if they agree, but they re playing for the other team in arguing that congress isn t allowed to investigate the president. which not to get too constitutional, emily, that s the founders core concerns was abuse of power. the checks and balances, why you have impeachment function, and factions and parties would eventually supercede patriotism. i put that somewhat high
supporting and corroborating ukrainians knew about this before it was publicly reported. those are some of the most important factual highlights for you to know about, this ukraine plot, in this report. there s more evidence on obstruction, there s stuff i haven t even mentioned yet on implicating the top republican on the intelligence committee in some of this and on one of giuliani s associates and the other mysterious calls coming from inside the white house. we always like to tell you what we re going to do with the facts on the beat. we have reports on those items as we go through the hour tonight. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, mother jones david korn and emily bazzalon. david, is this a damning report? what does it do for the growing case for impeachment? what is foremost important about this report is that it is a wonderful synthesis of the
were about to say. and this, as you say ari, this isn t about typical for foreign affairs, which involves horse trading for favors. this is about a favor that has nothing to do with the national security of our country. this was about a favor that was for the president s personal political advantage. he was trying to extract something of value from the ukrainians that would help him cheat in 2020, and he did that by withholding an act that he was supposed to take, an official act that was turning over aid that congress had already allocated for the ukrainians. this, i think, on every level resonates as impeachable conduct, probably as criminal, too. emily, as someone who specializes in basic legal storytelling. we read you and you re quite good at it. what do you think of the evidentiary story of the report? it s so important at moments like this where we take a step