who has contributed in an intellectual way. i must say here, max. we saw several signs, one, make him a saint immediately. that brings us back with john paul ii, signs everywhere to make john paul ii a saint, which did eventually happen. i m not sure if benedict would have wanted that. he was very self-effacing, wasn t interested in popes being saints. it is an outpouring for the faithful for their affection, for the person. the we ve noticed all morning, we have much smaller crowds. john paul ii funeral was an entirely different pope, entirely different situation. he was ill for two months before he died so people had plenty of time to come and pay their respects. they were here with candles and all night vigils and the square and the entire city really
vatican council and working in the vatican, in the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, as pope and pope emeritus. when you look out and see all the people that knew him and the impact he had for decades on the catholic church. very profound moment for me and for so many catholics. is it as you would imagine the service would unfold? it is. you know, one of the most beautiful things about these masses is that this is essentially the same kind of mass that any catholic would have, right? obviously it s not in saint pe peter s square but the liturgy, the eucharist, the prayers, the final commendation. in death benedict is like all of us, like all catholics and the sacraments, this is a sacrament, funeral mass, is something that unites us all. it s another sign of humility that this is the same kind of mass that all of us would have.
translator: may the angels lead you into paradise. may the martyrs come and welcome you and take you into the holy city, the new and eternal jerusalem. may choirs of angels welcome you and with lazarus who is no longer, may you have eternal rest. and as the mass concludes, the pal bearers approach the coffin of the pope emeritus ben benedict. they will bear his coffin into the basilica and then to his final resting place below the basilica in the vatican gratos .
resignation and as francis says, makes it an institution. the conversation we have now is how can we do that a bit better than the post papacy of benedict xvi. christopher belito, thank you very much. let s listen in to pope francis. translator: may the god of our fathers in the holy spirit, lord and giver of life, deliver pope emeritus benedict from death, that he may sing god s praises in the heavenly jerusalem in the resurrection of his body on the last day. may the virgin mary, queen of the apostles intercede before the eternal father that he may reveal the face of jesus, his son, to pope emeritus benedict and to console the church as she awaits the lord s return .
given this is an incredibly rare situation, to have had two popes simultaneously, how did that, if at all, change the shape of the catholic church worldwide, having current pope, pope francis, associated with the more progressive wing of the catholic church and pope benedict xvi the more conservative side? well, that s a very good question. i think at times there were some people who coalesced around benedict, but benedict always made it clear that there was one pope. that pope francis was in charge. by the same token, pope francis was very sort of respectful towards benedict. one of the things that francis did regularly was that every time he creates new cardinals, named new cardinals, he would bring the cardinals, to pope