of this attack and response and then how he spread it. a lot of this is coming out of the course of today. depending what you re up to, you may not have heard the gruesome details but he s using this as a time to take a platform within a crisis to lie about gun safety and gun control. we ll get into that. late today, the governor used a damage control press conference to repeatedly push false claims about public safety policy. here are the new details emerging about the failed police response to this shooter and some are absolutely gut wrenching. we are learning the timeline which is now updated because of the misinformation i mentioned. we re learning 19 police officers erroneously waited 45 minutes outside the close room without ever breaking in to confront the killer inside. we re learning that the killer was able to thus continue to repeatedly fire weapons again while the police were outside the door. these are facts that are terrible but they are also significant. they
uvalde. what could accountability look like, jim? well, if it is going to be a judgment call i m afraid that is not what people think it is. it may not be a criminal problem, it may just be civil lawsuits, some sanctions from the local authorities against their leaders, removal as chief, if they think that was a poor judgment that was so poor that he could be removed. most likely civil lawsuits by the families, you know, saying that you should have made the judgment to go in. he only had time to just do a stutter step and set up an emergency assault in just a few minutes if there was no active shooting going on inside the classroom. and that is the testimony that we have in all the reporting. however, if there was active shooting going on in the classroom, in other words you thought he was killing children at that instant moment, then you should have started hitting that door with shotgun blasts trying to knock that lock off, half mooning that lock, hitting the
hinges, because killing was going on at the instant moment. people think they should have done that anyway, but if he wasn t actually killing at that moment, you had a better chance if you would set up an emergency assault. but the doj can report all this, get this stuff out so the officers can fix it, let s not wait six months until we have another mass killing and they are not prepared. and at 12:03 when that first 911 call came in, there were 19 officers outside that classroom and they were hearing shots up until 12:21. gaud, julia, jim, thank you. coming up, what the u.s. will and won t do in ukraine. president biden makes clear that the u.s. s position in a new op-ed and the reaction it is getting from the kremlin. plus time to mask up again on planes. could the federal mask mandate come back? and will something actually change this time, what we know about the latest round of talks
was no shooting inside, it s except for at the police at the door. that s the information we got. that s a critical point. because if that is true, he would ve had a few minutes to set up an emergency assault. maybe with a sniper an issue that fight through the window, and an assault going through with the keys right away. it beat the killers trigger finger. but if it s not true, if the killer was inside shooting, or children were. then, you don t have time for an emergency assault. so what you have to do, then use the tools you have. like frank said, they will have breaching tools. this is endemic in american law enforcement. but they should ve taken shots there. move that, lock take those hinges. do anything to get in no matter what. if shooting is going on. that s a critical question i have. was there shooting going on inside when that incident commander said no. i think he hasn t been trained in practical decision-making, or any experience with the
room. he s keeping the police out with his rifle. that s a hostage barricade. but the decision, it was occurring inside an active shooter situation. the decision by the unseen commander has to be that he knows he probably won t get, even if he doesn t actually know, inside that room more bleeding. and so, time switches for not being on his side. time is neutral in an attack like this, but it goes against you, it goes for you, it goes back and forth. and on scene commander has to realize which way it s tipped on. and it s tipped against him because the wounded are bleeding out. so what he has to do because the active shooter training is not gonna get him through that wall, or that door. that doesn t work that way. he now has to breach it with a tactic technique that s used by all swat and tactical teams, holding emergency assault. so what he has to do is quickly form his stack. he has two doors, two classrooms to get in.