It too. John the one thing that is a mystery to me, the hitter has gloves and pine tar on his back, and to your point, hitters dont really complain, they want to know that the pitcher knows where the ball is going. In the argument i have heard from other people who really have never pitched and dont understand, that doesnt create movement. It just creates grip to where you can throw the proper pitch that is needed. Nonetheless, you know what we are getting closer to . We are getting closer to the japanesestyle of baseball that comes with the tackiness on it, thats we where we are getting closer to. I dont understand why we never have had that in our game yet. The old days where the umpires used to rope up the baseballs with the Mississippi River mod. They dont do that anymore. The clubhouse kids do it. But literally out of the package in japan. They are t understand, try to get the tent or color of the baseball changed so it is not so white and there for you wouldnt really have to have