that s the swing voter in the 2020 race. so i will agree with you on that. look, trump had a faux populism message. it was fought real. it didn t lead to anything. clearly we see that with the tax cuts and helps uber wealthy and leaves everybody behind with the tariff war. what elizabeth warren is doing is having that inclusive populism. she is talking economy as well. yes, she is talking to those blue dog democrats. like i said she went to vest west virginia to ohio. she is leaning and going after black women to really talking about inequality in a real way we haven t heard before. i take your point that she has gone to west virginia and places other democrats won t go. the reality is west virginia is lost. ohio is a long shot. this is going to be won in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, and that s a lot of the suburban voters that threw you out. well, you retired.
they will be broadcasting live across nbc, msnbc and telemundo and streamed across all of nbc news digital platforms. ahead, we go live to dayton, ohio, a long-time democratic stronghold. president trump was the first republican to win there since 1988. what are voters saying now? plus. elizabeth warren surges in the poll pushing biden and bernie sander s campaign to put fresh eyes on her bid for the white house. plus the secretary of state falls if line, how mike pompeo responded how the president should accept dirt from opponents from a foreign power. when you shop for your home at wayfair, you ll find just
i think when you look at bernie and biden, they re known quantities, people know about them already, people are learning about elizabeth warren, clearly the more they learn, clearly she is getting more traction. that has to matter. she is doing well in iowa, in new hampshire. in states that you are talking about easy well. i think that matters. respectfully, i believe that right now bernie sanders, she is eating bernie sander s lunch. she is taking bernie sander s voters away and the more progressive voters are gravitating towards elizabeth warren. it remains to be seen if the biden voters and the more crept ris voters i think as people are learning about her. this has been a great conversation. thank you both very much. we do want to go out to ohio f. just a few hours, msnbc s chris matthews will hold a special town hall, the deciders in dayton, ohio. dayton is the largest city in what was once a democratic strong hold, montgomery county.
people are bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, when i was on a conference call earlier this morning, they were listing off their ideas of what s necessary and what needs to be prioritized, they were talking about things that really fit what i hear when i m at bernie sanders and elizabeth warren rallys, a lot of us said we feel this was the natural pace for those candidates to be. for me it s less of who is on the stage and more the candidates that aren t the obviously purveyors of this message, what they can do with there crowd and what kind of reception are they going to get when they talk about, we ll reverse the trends we are seeing from wealth inequality in the united states. thank you, andrew yang, apparently took the stage behind her. he, of course, has been pushing that universal basicing in. an interesting message. karin will stick around. a reminder on june 26th and 27th. the first presidential debate will take place in miami.