challenge. previous cases have succeeded with this argument that the drivers are not technically employees. now, it seems clear to me that this was designed with companies like uber and lyft in mind. but i really doubt that the california legislature wants to sort of kill those companies. you know, a lot of people rely on them. they made transportation a lot more convenient for people. i strongly suspect that there ll be some kind of deal worked out. i understand the two parties are still talking. so there are ways that they could maybe find some middle ground. clearly they re not going to be able to go on, you know, making money off of the sort of arms length very insecure status of these drivers. thank you as always. up next, for the first time in the 2020 race, two front runners will find themselves on the same debate stage at the same time. how past disagreements going back more than 15 years could resurface when joe biden and elizabeth warren go head-to-head. you are watchin
more likely the candidates will face off against the more moderate candidates on stage than against each other. and one of those moderates is montana governor steve bullock which is making his first debate appearance tonight. and then there is tomorrow s match among former vice president joe biden, senators kamala harris and cory booker. for more i m joined by adrienne elrod, former senior adviser to the hillary clinton campaign and jonathan allen, nbc news national digital reporter. adrienne, i look at the numbers, we re all looking at the numbers. bernie is losing to elizabeth. he fades every new poll comes out, he is fading. she is eating him for breakfast. doesn t he have to take her on tonight? you know, i think he does, chris. and obviously both of those campaigns put out statements saying they re not going to go on the attack, they re not going to be super aggressive. but they re going to draw contrasts. that s what i m looking for tonight. i think bernie is going to try to re
sanders and elizabeth warren go head to head here in detroit. for the eight others on the stage tonight, it s a fight for survival. this could mean the end for them. and how will the candidates address trump s words over the weekend when they get on stage tonight and in their campaigns ahead? derrick johnson joins us here tonight on hardball, much more ahead tonight in detroit. stick with us. at leaf blowers. [beep] you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. and you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. but you re not mad, because you have e trade which isn t complicated. their tools make trading quicker and simpler. so you can take on the markets with confidence. don t get mad. get e trade and start trading today. how do you like it, how do you like it more, more, more how do you like it, how do you like it
colluding? collusion collusion is a strong word, but they have a lot of overlap in terms of the people that have supported them over a long period of time, as you ve said. wait a minute. john, you re saying they have a strategy of not attacking each other. how did that develop if they didn t talk with each other? i don t think they have to sit down and work on the strategy for it to happen. i think they can signal that to each other. i think they have been signaling that to each other. and i would be surprised if you saw very aggressive attacks against each other. elizabeth warren is not going to sit there and call bernie sanders a flaming socialist. she is not going to have mitch mcconnell or donald trump language against him. oh, yeah? bernie sanders is not going to attack elizabeth warren as being a corporate centrist. you re just not going see that. okay. let s talk about the other people that are fighting for survival. adrienne, a couple of these people aren t going
listen, i was always championing these issues, medicare for all. i ve been out there trying to talk and address these issues for a long time. elizabeth warren, however, is going to remind folks i ve got a road map to get us to achieving these goals. even if they re not going at each other in terms of a combat warfare, kamala/biden round one, i think you will see the two draw a very subtle contrast. jonathan, she is already doing that. recently she said to it me a long time ago. i m not a socialist. i m a democrat. i believe in the market. that makes the money. well can distribute it to have a good welfare system, a good safety net, a good health system. but we need a market, a free market to make money so we can have a strong economy. it seems to me she is already drawing the distinctions with the socialist candidate. it certainly is a significant difference between the two of them. as adrienne suggests, are you going see some of that soft contrasts tonight? really, what i m hearin