in that regard. shannon: two memos, one from the federal prosecutor, one from the mueller team, very different, prosecutor saying this guy didn t help very much, withhold information, we don t think you should do more than you have to, slight downgrade, special counsel much easier on him saying he has been helpful and we got all kinds of information but also the defendant has provided and committed to continuing to provide relevant and truthful information in an effort to assist with the investigation. i will start with elizabeth. what cooperation do you think they have going forward? i don t think much. you can tell from this filing they don t file a 5k letter or memo on behalf of:seeking a reduction in his sentence because he didn t provide much information they could use in
out that it wasn t the steel dossier that opened the investigation into russia election meddling into some counter terrorism investigation to begin with because or counter intelligence investigation, rather, to begin with because they say in the memo it was information given to the fbi or to international members in australia, apparently, about what pap dop louse was telling that russian diplom diplomat. if you would let me finish, look, first of all he has nothing to do with it. you can t establish probable cause on carter paige to spy on him unless you have some connection between the two. there is no connection between the two. it is cited in the nunes memo. that is part of the intelligence packet put together to get the surveillance on carter paige. but we don t know, elizabeth,
was an agent of russia. and there was an investigation in 2015 where carter paige cooperated with the fbi to try to get a russian agent out of the country. they approached him. they called him an idiot. they told him to go f himself. this is all in court filings. he cooperated extensively and helped get the russian out of the country. so the fbi s prior history with carter paige was quite favorable and did not suggest in any way that he was a russian agent. we do know that the fbi was looking into his connections to the russians as far back as 2013, elizabeth. and we don t know what they used in that dossier to get the fisa warrant or if the dossier was something that was a big part of the intelligence. which is exactly why we need to see it. okay. let me bring in samantha in terms of your thoughts. my thoughts from the memo and this conversation are that we need to let the fbi do their job. we re having a discussion here
whether there were meetings that took place. professor foley, is that the legal question? well, i mean, it would be a legal question if there were any facts to suggest that that kind of activity occurred. i mean, look at papadopoulos, the only thing they got him on was one count of lying to the fbi. what did he lie about? he didn t actually cover up the fact that he met with this london professor, professor mesud, or this russian individual who claimed to be the niece of vladimir putin. he admitted that he met with them. he the only thing he lied about was lying about the timing of when he met with them. okay? if they had had any evidence that he or anyone else in the trump campaign actually colluded with russia, had some sort of quid quo pro arrangement, you would be sure he d not be copping a guilty plea to one count of lying about the timing how do you know that? of having meetings with them. how do you know why are you so sure i think it s common sense, becaus
if you re watching, we just had an interesting conversation. professor foley referenced a cnn reporting from april. i want to read three paragraphs from that. the fbi last year used a dossier of allegations of russian ties to donald trump s campaign as part of the justification to win approval to secretly monitor a trump associate according to u.s. officials briefed in the investigation, saying it s part of. the dossier also has been cited by fbi director james comey in some briefings to members of congress in recent weeks as one of the sources of information the bureau has used to bolster its investigation. according to u.s. officials briefed on the probe. it goes on to say, officials familiar with the process say even if the application to monitor page included information from the dossier, it would only be after the fbi had corroborated the information through its own investigation. the officials would not say what or how much was corroborated.